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2174 8th St

Duplex · 2 units: 2 bed / 1 bath and 1 bed / 1 bath unit split estimated · 1,284 sq ft

White Bear Lake, MN · View the listing ↗

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Photos courtesy of Edina Realty, Inc., via Realtor.com.

Asking price
$275,000
2 units · $138K per unit
Monthly cash flow
−$74
at 20% down, 7%
Estimated rent
$2,725/mo
medium confidence · 8 rentals within 3 mi
Break-even price
$261,158
where cash flow hits $0

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First look

This is a small 1889 up/down in White Bear Lake, asking $275K with 52 days on market. Our underwriting at the ask shows about -$74/month cash flow with 20% down and a 6.1% cap rate, and break-even is about $261K, so it doesn't work at today's rates without a modest price cut. The description gives no rents, no lease terms, no utility split and no system ages, so the first job is getting the rent roll and checking how heat and electric are metered. The photos show cosmetic flooring and paint over original-era bones, so budget for a real inspection of the foundation, wiring and heating. It's worth a showing only if the seller will move toward the break-even price or the rents come in at or above our estimates.

Things to consider

  1. Cash flow is negative at the asking price Our underwriting shows -$74/month and break-even near $261K, so the price needs to come down or rents need to beat our estimates.
  2. Income is unverified With no stated rents, you can't tell if the building is occupied or what it earns. Our estimates run about $1,425 for the 2-bed and $1,300 for the 1-bed.
  3. Taxes and unit count are unverified We couldn't match a county parcel, so tax is a guess. Non-homestead taxes could be much higher than an owner-occupant bill.
  4. Old building with cosmetic updates only New flooring and paint can hide age. Foundation, wiring and plumbing on an 1889 house can mean large repair bills.
  5. Mixed unit sizes with a small upper unit A 1-bed upper and 2-bed lower should rent steadily, but the 1-bed likely turns over more often.Listing says: “The upper-level unit is a true one-bedroom offering a living room, efficiency kitchen, full bathroom”
  6. Owner-occupy angle could change the math Living in one unit can improve financing and cash flow, but compare the rent saved against our investor numbers.Listing says: “the opportunity to owner-occupy while generating rental income”

From the photos

Listing photo 2
1 of 8Check

Flooring in the living areas appears to be newer vinyl plank, which reads as a cosmetic refresh rather than a system update.

Listing photo 6
2 of 8Concern

Main-level kitchen has older painted steel-style cabinets, a coil-top electric range and a fluorescent light box. It appears dated but usable.

Listing photo 10
3 of 8Check

Upper-level efficiency kitchen has oak cabinets, laminate counter, electric range and a hood. It appears dated but serviceable.

Listing photo 5
4 of 8Concern

Bathroom has an older tiled tub surround, a dated vanity and shelving. It appears original-era with no recent remodel.

Listing photo 1
5 of 8Check

Vinyl siding and a shingle roof look intact from the exterior shots. Roof age is unknown.

Listing photo 9
6 of 8Plus

Concrete patio and back entry with a paved area appear to give off-street parking or a yard space. A detached garage is not shown.

Listing photo 1
7 of 8Check

No photos of the basement, furnace or boiler, water heater, electrical panel or the upper unit's living areas, so major systems are unseen.

Listing photo 8
8 of 8Check

Floor vents in the main unit suggest forced-air heat, but separate systems per unit can't be confirmed.

Based on 10 of the listing photos. Photos can hide as much as they show; an inspection is the real answer.

AI-assisted first read of the listing description and photos (Claude), checked against public records. Every rent and repair above quotes the listing; verify with the agent, leases and an inspection.

The numbers

Down payment %
Offer $
Management
Interest rate %
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Default: 20% down (no PMI), offer at asking, self-managed, 7.00% for 30 years, buyer pays closing costs (3%).

The deal

Price
$275,000
Cash to close
$63,250
Price per unit
$137,500
GRM
8.4

Each month

Cash flow
−$74/mo
Cash-on-cash
−1.4%
Cap rate
6.1%
DSCR
0.95×

Break-even

Price that breaks even
$261,158
Rent that breaks even
$2,821/mo

Long run

Year 30: property vs stocks
$1.07M vs $491K
Cash flow turns positive
year 3

Monthly

Monthly breakdown

Rent$2,725
Vacancy (6%)−$164
Collected$2,562
Property tax Listing−$284
Insurance Estimate−$194
Water, sewer, trash Estimate−$170
Lawn care ($120 × 6 mo ÷ 12)−$60
Repairs (8% of rent)−$218
Capital reserve (9% of rent)−$245
Net operating income$1,390
Mortgage (principal + interest)−$1,464
Cash flow−$74
Principal paid down (equity, not cash)$186

Cash flow each year

Rents +3%/yr, costs +3.5%/yr. Red bars are months you'd cover out of pocket.

30 years

How those totals add up

If you buy this building$1,074,369
Your equity when you sell
$627,447

Sells for $667,497 (value up 3% a year), minus 6% selling cost ($40,050). Rent paid down $220,000 of loan.

Rental profits, invested at 7%
$446,921

$233,546 of cash flow over 30 years, plus what it earned invested.

Same money in stocks$490,598
Cash to close, invested at 7%
$481,475

$63,250 put into an index fund instead of the down payment and closing costs.

Monthly shortfalls, invested
$9,123

$1,310 you'd have paid in while the building lost money, invested instead.

The building comes out $583,771 ahead after 30 years.

Future dollars. At 3% inflation, divide year-30 figures by about 2.4 for today's buying power. Rental profits are assumed invested, not spent.

30 years: this property vs. the same money in stocks

This propertyStocks at 7%

Year 30 (loan paid off): property $1.07M, stocks $491K. The property wins.

Comparable rentals

The closest rental listings with each unit's bedroom count, as of 2026-10-06. The estimate is the median asking rent of every rental we found nearby (the count is shown for each); houses are left out. Asking rents from Realtor.com rental listings, not signed leases.

2 bed estimate $1,425/mo · range $1,375–$1,500 · 9 rentals within 2.75 mi

AddressRentBd / BaSq ftDistanceListedType
1720 4th St, White Bear Lake $1,311 2 / 1 830 1.0 mi 2025-04-30 Apartment
1640 9th St, White Bear Lake $1,395 2 / 1 800 1.1 mi 2026-08-21 Apartment
2520 County Road F E, White Bear Lake $1,430 2 / 1 862 1.9 mi 2025-01-03 Apartment
4008 White Bear Ave Unit 1, White Bear Lake $1,500 2 / 1 900 1.9 mi 2026-09-28 Apartment
1880 Birch St, White Bear Lake $1,260 2 / 1 878 2.1 mi 2025-04-02 Apartment
1816 Birch St, White Bear Lake $1,339 2 / 1 950 2.1 mi 2025-04-01 Apartment
3908 Hoffman Rd, White Bear Lake $1,190 2 / 1 947 2.3 mi 2026-05-01 Apartment
1799 Cedar Ave, White Bear Lake $1,325 2 / 1 740 2.3 mi 2025-01-03 Apartment
3675 Highland Ave, White Bear Lake $1,300 2 / 1 940 2.6 mi 2026-02-13 Apartment

1 bed estimate $1,300/mo · range $1,175–$1,725 · 8 rentals within 3 mi

AddressRentBd / BaSq ftDistanceListedType
4495 Lake Ave S, White Bear Lake $1,795 1 / 1 695 1.0 mi 2026-01-02 Apartment
1720 4th St, White Bear Lake $1,209 1 / 1 630 1.0 mi 2025-04-30 Apartment
2024 County Road F E, White Bear Lake $950 1 / 1 500 1.7 mi 2026-09-11 Apartment
2095 Dotte Dr, White Bear Lake $1,199 1 / 1 650 1.8 mi 2024-04-12 Apartment
1799 Cedar Ave, White Bear Lake $1,075 1 / 1 640 2.3 mi 2025-01-03 Apartment
3675 Highland Ave, White Bear Lake $1,200 1 / 1 800 2.6 mi 2026-02-13 Apartment
3600 Hoffman Rd, White Bear Lake $1,530 1 / 1 556 2.8 mi 2025-04-03 Apartment
4143 Centerville Rd, Vadnais Heights $1,633 1 / 1 783 2.9 mi 2024-04-12 Apartment

On the maps, this property and comparable rentals. Comparable rentals and rent estimate: Realtor.com rental listings. Rents are asking rents from listings; check them against the actual leases.

Red flags and opportunities

Watch for

  • highNo rents, lease terms or occupancy status given, so income is unverified Listing says: This up/down duplex offers a rare opportunity to own an income-producing property in the heart of the community. · AI review
  • highPriced above our break-even; negative cash flow at the ask Based on: data: underwriting · AI review
  • mediumCouldn't match this address to a county parcel record, so taxes and unit count are unverified. Public record: County parcels: no match for 2174 8TH ST
  • medium1889 build with no mention of electrical, plumbing or heating updates Based on: data: listing.year_built · AI review
  • lowMarketed partly to owner-occupants, so it may be priced on house value rather than rent Listing says: the opportunity to owner-occupy while generating rental income · AI review

Opportunities

  • Detached garage and large corner lot could support garage rent or storage income Listing says: a large detached garage, generous yard space · AI review
  • Owner-occupy option: living in one unit lowers the effective cost and could allow owner-occupant financing Listing says: the opportunity to owner-occupy while generating rental income · AI review
  • Separate laundry for each unit supports rentability Listing says: a back porch with private laundry · AI review
  • 52 days on market gives room to negotiate toward break-even Based on: data: listing.days_on_market · AI review

Questions for the agent

  • What are the current rents, lease end dates and is either unit vacant?
  • How are heat, electric and water metered, and does the owner pay any?
  • What is the age of the roof, furnace or boiler, water heater and electrical panel?
  • What were last year's property taxes, and is the tax bill homestead or non-homestead?
  • Is the upper unit licensed as a rental with the city, and are there any open violations?
  • Has the price been cut, and why has it sat 52 days?

Bottom line

A charming small duplex in a good location, but at $275K it loses money by our numbers and the listing gives nothing to prove the income. AI-assisted summary

What the records say

Where each number comes from

Property tax / yr Listinglisting, tax year 2026. The tax the listing states. If the seller lives there it may be at the lower homestead rate; an investor owner pays the non-homestead rate, often 20–40% more on the owner's unit.$3,406
Insurance / yr Estimateestimate. from units, square feet and age; get a quote$2,333
Water, sewer, trash / mo Estimateestimate. $85/unit/mo, owner-paid$170
Heat / mo Assumptionassumption. tenants pay heat; confirm with the agent$0
Lawn care / mo Assumptionassumption. $120/mo for 6 months, spread over 12; no snow removal$60
Repairs / capital reserve Rulerule. built 1889: +1 pt capital reserve8% / 9%

Price history Realtor.com

On the market since 2026-08-14 (52 days, relisted 1×); last sold for $212,000 on 2020-02-11; listed for rent at $895/mo on 2018-09-05.

DateEventPrice
Relisted$275,000
Removed$275,000
Listed$275,000
Sold public record$212,000
Rental removed$895/mo
Listed for rent$895/mo
Rental removed$895/mo
Rent changed$895/mo
Listed for rent$995/mo
Rental removed$695/mo
Listed for rent$695/mo
Rental removed$695/mo
Listed for rent$695/mo
Rental removed$695/mo
Listed for rent$695/mo
Rental removed$650/mo
Listed for rent$650/mo
Rental removed$650/mo
Rent changed$650/mo
Listed for rent$695/mo
Rental removed$695/mo
Listed for rent$695/mo
Sold$77,000
Price changed$79,900
Listed$84,900

From the listing Listing

Listed asduplex up and down
Property tax, 2026$3,406
CountyRamsey
Parcel number143022140072

As the listing states it (NorthstarMLS, via Realtor.com). We don't have county records here yet; check the tax, homestead status and special assessments with the county.

Crime, rental-license and vacant-building records are only available for St. Paul and Minneapolis so far. Check with White Bear Lake on rental licensing before you buy.